[xep-support] Re: Reversing order of page rendering

Mon Aug 31 11:50:06 PDT 2015

Jim:

It could be. I would guess it depends on what his printer wants (like
whether they do the fold or not). My examples both were from our experience
with Alphagraphics whom we do large service efforts for. We of course design
documents in standard pages but we deliver the bookfolded PDFs directly to
them for print. Like the attached which is produced with our software and a
quick reorg of the XEPOUT. Bookfolded, duplexed for booklet print with
injected backgrounds for the static information like the cover.

I would note that this is 100% RenderX including our experimental chart
stuff - those charts are all dynamic, on the fly. The backgrounds are
created already bookfolded and just injected into the XEPOUT at the same
time pages are combined as 8-1, 2-7, 6-3, 4-5. So printed duplex and folded
and you have a booklet.

Kevin

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Actually, Kevin, I believe that Darren wants something like this:

1 English
2 English
3 English
4 English
4 Arabic
3 Arabic
2 Arabic
1 Arabic

Thus, the "back" cover (when viewed as an English language book) would be
the "front" cover of the Arabic section of the book.

Hope this helps,
   Jim

On 8/31/2015 12:21 PM, Kevin Brown wrote: 

Oh, and I would note that what you maybe want is bookfolding for
saddlestitch . then it would be (given the eight page example below:

1 Eng - 4 Ara 

3 Ara - 2 Eng

3 Eng - 2 Ara

1 Ara - 4 Eng

Is that one it? Those are already done and have been posted before. I will
dig those out if that is the case.

Kevin

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Subject: [xep-support] Re: Reversing order of page rendering

Darren:

I have two solutions for you. First let's confirm what you want:

I assume your request is like this:

You have a book to produce, let's say it turns out to be 4 pages for each
language. You wold create an FO that would produce something like this:

1 English

2 English

3 English

4 English

1 Arabic

2 Arabic

3 Arabic

4 Arabic

And what you want is a new output like this:

1 English + 1 Arabic

2 English + 2 Arabic

3 English + 3 Arabic

4 English + 4 Arabic

Is this correct?

Possible Solutions:

#1: A simple template that uses the individual PDFs and creates the desired
output. IN this you would need to create a simple XML file that would
identify each document, the total pages in each and the output page width
and height. It would then create "pages" by using the "rx:pdf-page"
extension to take a page from each and put them into a new document.

#2 Pure manipulation of the Intermediate Format. IN this you would format to
XEP format and apply an XSL to it to reorder things a bit. Totally similar
to http://www.renderx.com/cooltools.html "N-up" example but needs to be
changed to your specification (and probably remove the scaling and put pages
in actual size side by side.

Once you confirm if the above is correct, we can post (both) solutions here.

Kevin Brown

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Subject: [xep-support] Reversing order of page rendering

We have a document that is basically the same set of pages in both English
and Arabic. The printed version of the document has the English in the left
half of the booklet and Arabic in the right. The English pages run left to
right, the Arabic run right to left. They meet in the middle.

At the moment I am producing these with two separate FO files providing two
PDFs. These would need to be 'stitched' together in pre-press to provide a
set of pages in the correct order.

Is there a way in RenderX to specify one 'section' of an FO file be rendered
back to front, so last page first etc? The idea being that I could produce
this as one file but have the Arabic section rendered in reverse page order,
so that it's last page appears first after the last English page, and then
on through its pages with the first page appearing at the end of the PDF.

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