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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>While I know this is not exactly what you are looking for, this is like the version #1 solution.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>You could modify this to meet your goals of just reordering the second half pages and put them into one page (not two on one).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Although based on your description, I will bet (without covers) this format is really what the print would use to print a saddle-stitched book (but they could have groupings that are not implemented in here … i.e. duplex, bookfold pages in groups of 50 or so).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>This took a sample PDF input (DocBook XSL.PDF) identified in “sample.xml” and recreates it. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>It has advanced support for “covers” when the first and last page were to remain the same, the remainder where duplexed, bookfolded into two pages/page.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>You can see the output “sample.pdf” is just selectable PDF text (not an image).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Kevin Brown<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>RenderX<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Xep-support [mailto:xep-support-bounces@renderx.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kevin Brown<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 31, 2015 5:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Darren Munt' <darrenm@ardex.com.au>; 'RenderX Community Support List' <xep-support@renderx.com><br><b>Subject:</b> [xep-support] Re: Reversing order of page rendering<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Just a note:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>Ø<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>The only possible issue is that they may want editable PDF text, not page images but I will confirm that.</span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>It is all “editable” text.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>When you use RenderX to inject a PDF page “like an image” … you are just injecting PDF into PDF. It is not converting the page to an image. It is including a PDF inside the PDF.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>If it was selectable, editable text before … it still is. Either method would deliver this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>If you create the document to XEPOUT, you would get this:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>1 Eng<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>2 Eng<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>3 Eng<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>4 Eng<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>1 Ara<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>2 Ara<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>3 Ara<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>4 Ara<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Each page in that document would be like this in XEPOUT:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><xep:document …><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'><xep:page …>…</xep:page><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'><xep:page …>…</xep:page><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'><xep:page …>…</xep:page><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'></xep:document><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>You could easily do a small, recursive XSL that would output the first count(//xep:page)/2 in order and then the remainder in opposite order.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Kevin Brown<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>RenderX<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Darren Munt [<a href="mailto:darrenm@ardex.com.au">mailto:darrenm@ardex.com.au</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 31, 2015 4:33 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'kevin@renderx.com' <<a href="mailto:kevin@renderx.com">kevin@renderx.com</a>>; 'RenderX Community Support List' <<a href="mailto:xep-support@renderx.com">xep-support@renderx.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [xep-support] Re: Reversing order of page rendering<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>Kevin,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks for the reply. The actual page sequence we are after as you flip through the book in the English-speaking direction would be:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>1 Eng<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>2 Eng<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>3 Eng<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>4 Eng<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>4 Ara<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>3 Ara<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>2 Ara<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>1 Ara<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>For printing, the booklet runs to around 100 pages and they have used a multiple-signature glue binding in the past. I think therefore that we just give them the file with pages in the correct sequence and then they would use some prepress tool to order them for printing. I think the XEP intermediate format might be the right solution. Will check out the example you posted below. The only possible issue is that they may want editable PDF text, not page images but I will confirm that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>Darren<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> Xep-support [<a href="mailto:xep-support-bounces@renderx.com">mailto:xep-support-bounces@renderx.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kevin Brown<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 1 September 2015 4:22 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:kevin@renderx.com">kevin@renderx.com</a>; 'RenderX Community Support List'<br><b>Subject:</b> [xep-support] Re: Reversing order of page rendering<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Oh, and I would note that what you maybe want is bookfolding for saddlestitch … then it would be (given the eight page example below:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>1 Eng – 4 Ara <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>3 Ara – 2 Eng<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>3 Eng – 2 Ara<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>1 Ara – 4 Eng<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Is that one it? Those are already done and have been posted before. I will dig those out if that is the case.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Kevin<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Xep-support [<a href="mailto:xep-support-bounces@renderx.com">mailto:xep-support-bounces@renderx.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kevin Brown<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 31, 2015 11:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'RenderX Community Support List' <<a href="mailto:xep-support@renderx.com">xep-support@renderx.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [xep-support] Re: Reversing order of page rendering<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Darren:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I have two solutions for you. First let’s confirm what you want:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I assume your request is like this:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>You have a book to produce, let’s say it turns out to be 4 pages for each language. You wold create an FO that would produce something like this:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>1 English<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>2 English<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>3 English<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>4 English<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>1 Arabic<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>2 Arabic<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>3 Arabic<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>4 Arabic<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>And what you want is a new output like this:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>1 English + 1 Arabic<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>2 English + 2 Arabic<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>3 English + 3 Arabic<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>4 English + 4 Arabic<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Is this correct?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Possible Solutions:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>#1: A simple template that uses the individual PDFs and creates the desired output. IN this you would need to create a simple XML file that would identify each document, the total pages in each and the output page width and height. It would then create “pages” by using the “rx:pdf-page” extension to take a page from each and put them into a new document.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>#2 Pure manipulation of the Intermediate Format. IN this you would format to XEP format and apply an XSL to it to reorder things a bit. Totally similar to <a href="http://www.renderx.com/cooltools.html">http://www.renderx.com/cooltools.html</a> “N-up” example but needs to be changed to your specification (and probably remove the scaling and put pages in actual size side by side.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Once you confirm if the above is correct, we can post (both) solutions here.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Kevin Brown<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Executive Vice President, Sales & Marketing RenderX, Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>(650) 327-1000 Direct<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>(650) 328-8008 Fax<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>(925) 395-1772 Mobile<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>skype:kbrown01<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:kevin@renderx.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>kevin@renderx.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:sales@renderx.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>sales@renderx.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.renderx.com/"><span style='color:#0563C1'>http://www.renderx.com</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Xep-support [<a href="mailto:xep-support-bounces@renderx.com">mailto:xep-support-bounces@renderx.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Darren Munt<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 31, 2015 1:46 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'xep-support@renderx.com' <<a href="mailto:xep-support@renderx.com">xep-support@renderx.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [xep-support] Reversing order of page rendering<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU>We have a document that is basically the same set of pages in both English and Arabic. The printed version of the document has the English in the left half of the booklet and Arabic in the right. The English pages run left to right, the Arabic run right to left. They meet in the middle.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU>At the moment I am producing these with two separate FO files providing two PDFs. These would need to be ‘stitched’ together in pre-press to provide a set of pages in the correct order.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU>Is there a way in RenderX to specify one ‘section’ of an FO file be rendered back to front, so last page first etc? The idea being that I could produce this as one file but have the Arabic section rendered in reverse page order, so that it’s last page appears first after the last English page, and then on through its pages with the first page appearing at the end of the PDF.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>