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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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Hence, any application which claims support for PDF must be able</SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">> to
display/print files that contain references to ZapfDingbat fonts</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">> without
those fonts being embedded. If it cannot, it is not a PDF </SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">>
compliant application.</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">And
indeed there are such situations. I've worked with a print vendor for hard
copy reproduction who will accept PDF files, but they require that *all* fonts
be embedded, including the base 14. They said they don't want to risk any
possibility of font substitution, and that if all fonts are embedded, they can
guarantee that their output will match your review of the PDF file. This
same company owns the entire Adobe font collection for their own
composition purposes, but won't apply them to PDF files from
customers. I suspect they are in cahoots with Adobe to sell more Zapf
Dingbats. 8^)</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN> </P></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Bob Stayton<BR>Sagehill Enterprises<BR><A
href="mailto:bobs@sagehill.net">bobs@sagehill.net</A></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=kevin@renderx.com href="mailto:kevin@renderx.com">Kevin Brown</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=xep-support@renderx.com
href="mailto:xep-support@renderx.com">xep-support@renderx.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:11
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [xep-support]
ZapfDingbats.afm</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">No.
In order to embed a Base font you must obtain the font data. RenderX only
distributes the font metrics. These are not free, you would need to purchase a
ZapfDingbat font.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">However,
no application should require and Base 14 fonts to be embedded and claim that
it is PDF consumer application unless they are being embedded for a specific
application of the PDF specification such as PDF/A. In other words, you client
is wrong unless they are producing PDF/A which requires all fonts to be
embedded (for historical archiving). <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">A
good brief summary is here at Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF)
under the heading Base 14 fonts. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Also,
Chapter 2 of the PDF Reference, page 40 states:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">"•
PDF prescribes a set of 14 standard fonts that can be used without prior
defini-<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">tion.
These include four faces each of three Latin text typefaces (Courier,
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Helvetica*,
and Times*), as well as two symbolic fonts (Symbol and ITC Zapf
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Dingbats®).
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">These
fonts, or suitable substitute fonts with the same metrics, are
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">required
to be available in all PDF consumer applications."<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Hence,
any application which claims support for PDF must be able to display/print
files that contain references to ZapfDingbat fonts without those fonts being
embedded. If it cannot, it is not a PDF compliant
application.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Kevin<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
owner-xep-support@renderx.com [mailto:owner-xep-support@renderx.com] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Cutter<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 13, 2009 9:11
AM<BR><B>To:</B> xep-support@renderx.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [xep-support]
ZapfDingbats.afm<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">If
that is the case is the solution as simple as changing this
line<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><font-group
label=”Base 14” embed=”false”><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">To<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><font-group
label=”Base 14” embed=”true”><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">That
seems too simple.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #000096"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none">
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
owner-xep-support@renderx.com [mailto:owner-xep-support@renderx.com] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>ben.m.wynn@rrd.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 13, 2009 11:00
AM<BR><B>To:</B> xep-support@renderx.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [xep-support]
ZapfDingbats.afm<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Hi Cutter,</SPAN>
<BR><BR><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From
reading both your emails, your problem lies in the default configuration of
your 'xep.xml'... which includes ZapfDingbats, but not as an embedded
font.</SPAN> <BR><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Your clients quoted
sentence is correct, as far as I know. A PDF file is not a raster image
like TIFF, any text data it includes must be rendered with a font...
That font must be made available to it somehow: either installed on the
system or embedded in the PDF itself.</SPAN> <BR><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">The xep.xml
configuration file controls which fonts will be embedded in a pdf. The
default xep.xml configures a 'Base 14' set of fonts that are expected to be
available everywhere without embedding it, so to save space, do not embed it.
These fonts include Times, Helvetica, etc... and I believe
ZapfDingbats as well.</SPAN> <BR><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Your best bet is to
go reconfigure your (and your clients) xep.xml to embed the ZapfDingbats into
the PDF. Make sure you have license to embed it, I havn't looked at it
recently to know if it's public domain or otherwise freely distributable, but
it's one of the 'Base 14' that is expected to be available anywhere.</SPAN>
<BR><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">-Ben</SPAN>
<BR><BR><o:p></o:p></P>
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owner-xep-support@renderx.com</SPAN> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR><BR><BR>I am using XEP (unsure of the version #) to
create PDF from XSLT. The output looks correct on my system but when the
client runs the same XSLT/FO (using a different version of XEP, unsure what #)
none of the ZapfDingbats characters output. We have gone round and round
about this but currently the client is coming back with “If the font is not
embedded, the rendered file can only be viewed on systems that have the font
configured for use with viewing or printing the application.”
<BR>My understanding is, once the PDF is rendered, and unless it is then
reopened in some program capable of editing it, the PDF is set in stone.
So any PDF viewer on any machine (Linux, Mac, Windows) with any (or no)
fonts installed will show it as rendered. The problem with rendering the
font is located on the machine doing the rendering not the machines later
doing the viewing. Is this correct and could someone explain the quoted
sentence above with an example? <BR>What else might be making their rendering
not output the correct fonts while my output (using the exact same
transformations) renders correctly? <BR>Thanks!
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